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So many things I want to say after spending years in Korea! Some things I still can't figure out, but most things I understand. I wish I knew it all at the start. I hope my blogs help others.

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Tuesday, January 4, 2011

10 Years to Get Through College in Korea

Okay it doesn't usually take that long, but Korean students can and do take a much longer time to go through college from start to finish. I'm talking about getting one four-year Bachelor's degree.

There are some reasons for this: 1) military service for young men 2)study abroad 3)taking a semester/year off for work, rest, or to study something such as English 4) Korean age - the way in which Koreans determine a person's age which results in everyone being 1 or 2 years 'older' than they would be in other countries.

One thing that I find interesting is that Koreans seem to think there's nothing wrong with students taking their time to get through college. In the US when I was in college students were encouraged to go through in four years. They could study abroad or intern, usually for a semester, but still finishing in four years was still considered better than 4 1/2, 5 or more. There was strong discouragement towards taking time off, taking a year off to work, and so on because many students didn't return to college after doing so. Again, I find it really interesting that Koreans seem to have no problem with this. Those students who took so long to finish college were looked at as being slackers, underachievers, being without motivation, etc. In some cases it was okay but it was still looked at so much more positively to 'finish in four years.' Doing it sooner was even better. Finishing in three years was considered great.

The reality is that most good jobs in Korea go to men. And they have until age 29 (Korean age) to secure their first good job. But after one turns 30 it becomes much harder. To put it plainly many companies simply won't hire someone aged 30 or over. Someone with work experience has a chance, but someone who's 29 without work experience is considered perfectly normal. In America we don't see such a difference between 29 and 30. Also if there are applicants say aged 25 and 26 who have similar qualifications, the younger one will be chosen. In the US there's no case where being one year older makes such a great difference in terms of gaining employment.

Young women can finish college earlier than men because there's no required military service. (Most young men take time off college for it while a few perform it before or after.) I have a young female student who's a senior in university. Her age is 23 in Korea, or 21/22 elsewhere. With the school year in Korea going from March - February and graduation in February, when she graduates this February she'll be a year older, 24. (In Korea everyone turns a year older on January 1st.) She went straight through college in four years. 24 is the youngest one can finish college in Korea, except for some students born early in the year, who can finish at age 23. These students who are 23 or 24 in Korea would be age 22 in other countries.

I want to write about one young man I know who's also a senior in college. He's aged 28 in Korea, or 27 in other countries as he's had his birthday this year, 2010. The freshman are all, almost all, aged 20 in Korea or 18/19 elsewhere. It's a problem for this student because he's bothered by what he sees as a huge age difference between himself and the younger students. He first entered university eight years ago. He feels as though he's been in college for eight years, even though he took time off for work and for military service.

These two students, now in their last semester, are no longer attending classes as regular students. Both live at home, work, and are looking towards the future, work or graduate school. In the US students are allowed to do this. They could be called non-attending students. Many Korean students do this their last year or semester of college. They tell the professors. In some cases the professors simply ask them to take the midterm and final exams or to do an assignment. Then they get credit and some grade which is usually lower than it would be if they were regular students.

Young Koreans who don't finish college until their late 20s have a short time to find a job before they turn age 30. Also they are expected to marry at this time. That's another story. I think it would be better for young people in Korea if they were encouraged to get through college a little faster so that they have more time to look for jobs and think about marriage.

Also abolishing Korean age would help. Job applicants can be passed over for others who are even one year younger. After a certain age it becomes very hard or even impossible to find a job. Also getting married becomes more difficult(especially for women)as young people grow older. Adopting international age would make everyone in the country a year or two younger right away. For older people this doesn't mean a lot, but for younger people it can mean a lot! Getting a job and getting married are two of the most important things in one's life.

Graduate School

For practical reasons I don't think many young Koreans are going to grad school. Those who do go are more likely to be those who can't find a job with their B.A. Actually I've met more young women than men going to graduate school, but in Korea it's harder for women to find good jobs than men. So it's funny that because of not finding a job they chose to go to graduate school. I don't know for sure but I'd be willing to bet at this time there are more women in the 20s and 30s with grad degrees than men.

A lot of young men don't actually graduate with their first degree until their late 20s. After that most of them want to work. A good job is preferable to graduate school as far as I can see in Korea. Education is important in Korea mostly for practical reasons, not for it's own sake.

I read somewhere once that Koreans have more Ph.Ds than anyone else. However there was nothing to back up that statement. Does that include Koreans in other countries like the USA or just those in Korea? Honestly if I think about some of the university students I know, I can guess that if they ever told their parents they wanted to enter a doctoral program, their parents would say something like, don't do anything crazy like that. Get a job. Get married. Most Koreans I've known have not had more than a B.A. Those with graduate degrees that I've met have been professors, doctors and the like.

A Little About Korean Universities

Getting into university means so much in Korea, it means everything some would say. When you go to apply for a job the name of the university you attended is the most important of all the qualifications you might have.

The "good" universities are almost all in Seoul, with just a few located in other parts of the country. If you can't get into one of these colleges you can basically forget about gaining employment with one of the top Korean companies. However there are other opportunities.

The university where I taught is not considered one of the good ones. It is outside of Seoul. Most of the students I've talked to didn't want to go there. So why did they go? Their college entrance exam score was low. A few of them went for a certain major which had a good reputation, however most of them went because they didn't have many other options.

Having said that, I have to say that the university was nice overall, at least as I saw it. Unlike the students I didn't leave the area most weekends.

Korean kids actually work harder in school before going to college than after getting there. High school is very hard. Kids can't do much besides study, eat or sleep. University is easier. Students think it's normal to skip classes. Grading is much easier. Many students are involved in events on campus. During those times they often miss their classes. One student who missed many classes and then ended up dropping my course told me that it was due to being made captain of the cheerleaders. I said to him, so cheerleading is a good enough reason to miss class? Many students would continue to take my classes and just bring me notes which their professors would sign saying they were involved in events certain days. And I got a few sick notes! If a student went to the doctor the same day we had a class, they could bring me a note and be excused. I got so many of these notes though that I wondered if students deliberately chose to go to the doctor on class days.

And there were times of course when even though they went to the doctor or had some event on campus, they still could have easily gotten to class, but the general rule was to excuse them. One day a group of boys who had a really bad attendance record told me they missed class because of getting flu shots. I think I said to them something like I didn't think that would take the whole day.